Re: The Trolling on the freebsd- lists

[Miguel Mendez <flynn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bosko Milekic wrote:

>   Before you go on and spread FUD, can you define the "direction" you
>   think FreeBSD has headed into with 5.x and tell me why you think it is
>   wrong (after having defined it)?  In my eyes, the end "direction" of
>   both projects (5.x and DragonFly) is more alike than not and while the
>   implementation is significantly different, that should not be a valid
>   basis for the argument that the direction itself is wrong.  You might

True, but if you build a car with square tires, don't expect it to work.

>   be compelled to argue that it goes beyond implementation but then you
>   ought to step back and ask yourself what each project aims to
>   accomplish, exactly, in terms of the end-user, and I ask that you tell
>   me how then the goals are so "drastically" different.

Yet the goals are indeed different. DragonFly is about trying new stuff 
that would never make it into FreeBSD (VFS layer, Lightweight Kernel 
Threading, Message passing API, etc). FreeBSD is much more conservative 
in a lot of areas than DragonFly is. Also Bill Huei has made a good 
point about the ownership of kernel areas in FreeBSD, stuff others are 
not supposed to touch.

>   As for the differences in implementation, I first challenge you to
>   show me (and other readers) your contribution post back in the early
>   stages of 5.x design, since you claim that the FreeBSD community has
>   not listened to "sysadmins and end users" (which I assume for the
>   moment you are).

And you, my friend, have just made a gratuitous assumption about the 
matter, which, in this day and age, is completely irrelevant. FreeBSD 
made a choise about its SMP design, whether it was right or wrong, time 
will tell.

I plan to benchmark both DragonFly and FreeBSD and will publish the 
results, even though after the recent trolling we've seen it might be a 
bit touchy subject.

Also note that discussing FreeBSD's merits in this list is off-topic. 
The last time DragonFly was discussed in the freebsd-hackers@ mailing 
list, Kip and other people got flamed by Poul-Henning and friends.

Cheers,
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