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> How does Linux having too many filesystems (in your opinion)


Here. You can count them if you like:

*http://tinyurl.com/mym5k*


> relate to DragonFly not having ZFS?  I'm not following any logic train.
>

The train is there and quite clearly expressed, but you either can't see it,
or, for some obscure, though no doubt interesting reason, don't want to.

>
>  It's going to have to wait for a while before I learn C then.
>> Regards,
>>
>>  What?  There's going to be a delay in your learning C because of which
> following reason?
>


> A) Reiser was convicted of killing his wife
> B) Linux has too many filesystems
> C) Linux is putting ZFS in the kernel
> D) Random people in local user groups swear by ZFS
> E) Nobody is bothering to import ZFS to DragonFly.
> F) Other?
>

None of them, quite obviously, and I fail to see why you would need to know
what details of my personal existence prevent me from doing so.

Have you ever been accused of being a drama queen before this?
Regards,

David Crosswell.
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 April 2011 20:06, John Marino <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dragonflybsd@marino.st";>dragonflybsd@ma=
rino.st</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padd=
ing-left: 1ex;">
This post has me so perplexed, I just have to explore further.<br></blockqu=
ote><div><br>Hello John, <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">

<br>
On 4/23/2011 2:15 AM, David Crosswell wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Yes, I understand that. I&#39;m looking forward to doing something with<br>
Hammer, but I&#39;ve spoken to a couple of guys at the local Users group<br=
>
who swear they&#39;ll never use anything else but ZFS<br>
</blockquote>
You are apparently talking about random people at some local club.</blockqu=
ote><div><br>Yes, a &#39;NIX users group.<br>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); mar=
gin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
 =C2=A0Why is their preference of filesystem impacting your intention to tr=
y out Hammer?</blockquote><div><br>No, I didn&#39;t say anything like that.=
<br>=C2=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:=
 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex=
;">
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What makes their opinion so special?</blockquote><div><br>Bec=
ause they are highly qualified. One is a professor of computer sciences and=
 runs the University BSD servers. with the help of his more advanced studen=
ts to give them a little cash in hand to keep them from starving to death a=
nd give them real world experience.<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
- got it running on<br>
FreeBSD and I looked at Dragonfly with UFS and Hammer and thought with<br>
ZFS they&#39;d have every scenario covered.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Who is &quot;they&quot;? =C2=A0DragonFly community?<br></blockquote><div><b=
r>I can&#39;t, for the life of me, see any other party referred to in that =
paragraph. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left=
: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1e=
x;">

<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Linux is working to incorporate ZFS compatibility into the kernel,<br>
</blockquote>
No, &quot;Linux&quot; is not. =C2=A0As long as ZFS has the CDDL license, it=
 won&#39;t be incorporated into the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, it wi=
ll be.<br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1=
ex;">
 =C2=A0People are working on putting ZFS in a module that users can manuall=
y load in to work around license issues.</blockquote><div><br>Up until half=
way through the 2,4 kernel, that&#39;s how it was done. If you wanted ext3,=
 for example, it was as a module, because only ext2 was compiled in.<br>
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> =C2=
=A0It&#39;s not a technical incompatibility, it&#39;s a license incompatibi=
lity for which there is no solution other than Oracle changing the ZFS lice=
nse.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Ellison&#39;s not about to let anything go, because t=
hat&#39;s the way Ellison is. The CDDL will stay as it is. It is compatible=
 with the BSD licence however, which is why it can be employed with Debian&=
#39;s KFreeBSD config., for example. <br>
There&#39;s nothing wrong with loading it as a module. Debian isn&#39;t exa=
ctly in the Microsoft patent heavy market scenario, but still supplies acce=
ss to contrib and non-free apps. What&#39;s so different here?<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
and<br>
even with various filesystem developers looking at substantial jail<br>
sentences for killing their wives, they&#39;ve still got an over abundance<=
br>
of filesystems.<br></blockquote></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); ma=
rgin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

</blockquote>
Again, why is Linux filesystem situation relevant to DragonFly?<br></blockq=
uote><div><br>I didn&#39;t say it was here.<br>I seem to have stated that L=
inux have an over abundance of them.<br>From what I can see a F.S suitable =
for end users and smaller server situations, another suited to the cluster =
environment and another that has some valuable features wouldn&#39;t do any=
 harm. I can&#39;t see any use for more than three. Can you?=C2=A0 <br>
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
How does Linux having too many filesystems (in your opinion)</blockquote><d=
iv><br>Here. You can count them if you like:<br>=C2=A0<br></div><b><a href=
=3D"http://tinyurl.com/mym5k";>http://tinyurl.com/mym5k</a></b><br><div>=C2=
=A0</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> relate to Dragon=
Fly not having ZFS? =C2=A0I&#39;m not following any logic train.<br></block=
quote>
<div><br>The train is there and quite clearly expressed, but you either can=
&#39;t see it, or, for some obscure, though no doubt interesting reason, do=
n&#39;t want to. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">

<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
It&#39;s going to have to wait for a while before I learn C then.<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
What? =C2=A0There&#39;s going to be a delay in your learning C because of w=
hich following reason?<br></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin=
: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

A) Reiser was convicted of killing his wife<br>
B) Linux has too many filesystems<br>
C) Linux is putting ZFS in the kernel<br>
D) Random people in local user groups swear by ZFS<br>
E) Nobody is bothering to import ZFS to DragonFly.<br>
F) Other?<br></blockquote><div><br>None of them, quite obviously, and I fai=
l to see why you would need to know what details of my personal existence p=
revent me from doing so.<br><br>Have you ever been accused of being a drama=
 queen before this?<br>
Regards,<br><br>David Crosswell. <br></div></div>-- <br><br>
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ans-serif;">
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m 0.3em; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);">In a world without walls an=
d fences, what need have=C2=A0we=C2=A0for Windows or Gates? <br><a href=3D"=
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