22:55 < rsg> http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions <| seen this?
22:56 < rsg> (no, it's not another "bsd is dying" thing(
22:58 <@TGEN> what's the news?
22:59 <@corecode> none
22:59 <@TGEN> naming the 4-clause BSD license '4-BSD' is stupid
22:59 <@rsg> thanks buggs 
23:00 <@corecode> hah
23:00 <@rsg> anyway, this 4-clause BSD licenced code might be quite a problem
23:00 <@TGEN> why?
23:00 <@buggs> the 3-GPL people should be contacted too
23:00 <@corecode> no
23:00 <@corecode> this guy just didn't read the license
23:00 <@TGEN> have you read the actual 4-clause BSD license?
23:01 <@buggs> nite
23:01 <@rsg> yes, some time ago
23:01 <@rsg> but ianal
23:02 <@corecode> well, brains are sufficient
23:02 <@rsg> yes, hopefully it's not that complicated
23:02 <@TGEN> also, the ability to parse & understand English
23:02 <@rsg> anyway
23:03 <@rsg> TGEN: what's your point?
23:03 <@TGEN> well, corecode summed that up quite well
23:03 <@TGEN> 23:00:57 <@corecode> this guy just didn't read the license
23:03 <@corecode> (without reading the license myself again)
23:03  * corecode reboot
23:05 <@TGEN> rsg: all advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement yaddayadda
23:06 <@TGEN> if you use a 4-clause BSD licensed dhcpd for example, but you don't mention dhcpd support in your advertisement, you don't have to display the acknowledgement
23:08 <@corecode> duh.
23:08 <@corecode> with the new acpi sysctl hangs in acsem
23:10 <@rsg> but if you do use a BSD kernel or userland and you mention that  you use them, well, you're f*cked
23:11 <@TGEN> well, fucked, depending on what specific part of the kernel you mention you're not
23:12 <@TGEN> and even if, when was the last time you had a lawyer on your doorstep because you're using a BSD-derived operating system?
23:12 <@rsg> never?
23:13 <@TGEN> thanks for making my point ;)
23:14 <@rsg> but the problem is still there
23:15 <@TGEN> it's never a debacle or 'you're fucked'
23:15 <@corecode> what problem?
23:15 <@TGEN> you have to explicitly mention some feature or use of software governed by a 4-clause BSD license
23:16 <@TGEN> like, when the malloc implementation used is governed by a 4-clause BSD license, you only have to mention the acknowledgement if you mentioned e.g. "using a super ultra hyper fast malloc" in your advertisement materials
23:17 <@rsg> and what if part of libc is governed by a 4 clause bsd and i say that my system is bsd-based?
23:18 <@corecode> so what?
23:18 <@rsg> libc is one of the things that make bsd a bsd, now doesn't it?
23:18 <@corecode> write that one little sentence
23:18 <@TGEN> that part of libc that is governed by a 4-clause BSD license is not the part that makes it BSD-based
23:18 <@TGEN> because, as you well know, all 'BSD-based' stuff is 3-clause since 1999