DragonFly users List (threaded) for 2006-06
RE: Any serious production servers yet?
:their hands than the rest of us. People want to
:use 'BSD as network servers. People in the real
:world that is. Maybe thats why your not with
:FreeBSD anymore; your refusal to modernize your
:ideas to what's going on in the real world, and
:your complete lack of understanding where the
:dollars are to fund your efforts?
Danial, this just shows that you have no understanding whatsoever
of what 'Open Source' is or how the open source community operates.
It couldn't be more clear.
Do you honestly believe that Open Source is about money? Do you, in fact,
believe that people doing Open Source are doing it to make a living?
Well, I got news for you! 99.9% of open source projects are not
conceived of or intended to be turned into commercial products, let
alone conceived of or intended to make any money whatsoever. The greatest
open source programmers out there do not directly make money off of
their work. Not even Linus (he doesn't 'sell' linux, for example, but
he certainly leverages his status in the linux community as part of his
real life job!).
Open Source put those people, and me, where they are today. Not by
directly making money, but by being an ENABLING factor that put those
people in positions where they could go where they wanted to go, whether
it means working for Yahoo, or Google, or Apple, or being a professor
at a unversity, or SysAd'ing a Bank's machine room, or simply having
the contacts that allow opportunities to drop in your lap (as happened
with me and BEST Internet in the early 90's), or a myrid of other jobs.
I can't even begin to count the number of success stories. I *STILL*
get email today from old DICE users who cut their teeth with my open
source C compiler oh so long ago. It is emmensly gratifying to know
that my code helped enable them to make a career out of programming.
The vast majority of open source programmers do NOT make money directly
from open source. Not even Linus. So it should come as no surprise
to you that I have absolutely no interest in turning DragonFly-the-project
into DragonFly-the-commercial-project. DragonFly isn't about funding
or about making money. It is about enabling OTHERS to leverage their
experiences with the project to further their own goals, goals which
might or might not include making money, and might or might not even
include the DragonFly operating system itself. DragonFly is also about
me wanting to accomplish my own personal goals, which I have outlined
(and which do not involve 'money').
Open Source is not about money. Open Source is about recognition. It
is about building something that you want to build, whether other people
ever use it or not. Open Source is about community -- Open Source
communities are not constructed, they coalesce as people discover like
ideas, desires, and wants. It is the ultimate evolutionary principle,
in fact.... OSS communities form and break apart according to individual
desire. They are a synthesis, an outcome rather then an intended
construction. But, I think most importantly, Open Source is about
enablement. Open Source is an enabling factor for so many people you
shouldn't wonder why people do it when they don't make any direct money
from it. It should be obvious.
Open Source projects don't 'fail'. If a project starts with 10 people
it is certainly not considered a failure. If it grows to 5000 people,
then a few years later drops back down to 50 people, those 50 people are
not going to care. Someone on the outside might care, might think
'well, projoect XXX is dead, dead, DEAD!', but that's someone on the
outside. The bare truth of the matter is that ALL projects have a
life cycle. Even Linux, even DragonFly. It takes an older programmmer
like me who has written hundreds of serious programs (most of which
are in the dustbin even for me now) to understand how the life cycle works.
But what doesn't disappear... what NEVER disappears is the effect... the
enablement effect that a project has on the people working on it and
using it. And also, what doesn't disappear, are the algorithms and
ideas behind the code. The code itself may not survive (not even Linux,
if you consider how many times core kernel infrastructure has been
rewritten from its inception)... but the concepts certainly do, and the
people do, and their experiences do.
I 'fund' DragonFly with my time, as do most Open Source programmers. And,
as with most Open Source programmers, my actual income, for living, is
not directly derived from Open Source, but the life-rewards I reap
from Open Source are immense.
*THAT* is what Open Source means. It most assuredly is *NOT* your warped
and twisted view of it.