DragonFly users List (threaded) for 2006-06
Re: Argh, Stray interrupts 2006
Er. Danial, you are just being an idiot now. Programmers are
lazy? Why don't YOU try to reverse engineer an ethernet card
with half a dozen HARDWARE bugs in it without vendor documentation!
Vendors not only do not provide documentation, they also tend to
hide hardware bugs and deny their existance. In fact, *MOST* general
purpose PC chipsets these days are chock full of hardware bugs, nearly
ALL undocumented by the vendor. Vendors come out with chip revs every
other month, each with their own set of quirks. There are over *200*
ATA chipsets out there, probably even more, and just as many ethernet
chipsets. Hundreds of chipsets containing tens of hundreds of
undocumented hardware bugs. Buggy BIOSes. Buggy firmware. Even buggy
CPUs (but at least Intel and AMD document those bugs)!
You seem to believe that this stuff is somehow easy to figure out.
And, worse, you seem to believe that we somehow have an obligation to
drop everything at your whim and spend all our time solving your
problems. Well, I got news for you... it is NOT easy to figure out,
and we have no such obligation.
Open source works because the people involved are willing to spend
their own time and money solving problems, and because both programmers
and users alike enjoy a sense of community. EVERYONE works hard to
achieve their goals. But you don't seem to think that you have any
obligation at all as an end-user. You seem to believe that you can
denigrate people and make accusations, call people lazy, etc etc etc,
and you STILL expect people to solve your problems? That's pretty stupid,
I will tell you straight out that I have no desire whatsoever to help
you. In fact, I am very close to banning you from the mailing lists
alltogether because you are becoming seriously harmful to our community.
You seem to believe that you are somehow owed help and that you
don't have to give anything back in return (not even a friendly
conversation, apparently). You seem to believe that a programmer can
sit down and in a few hour solve your worst nightmare of a problem, and
you seem to believe that you can put down people and then still expect
them to drop everything to help you. You seem to believe that hardware
is somehow simple and obvious and easy to decipher.
Well, I got news for you, Danial. That isn't reality. The reality is
that sometimes the simplest bug.. a one line error in code for example,
is the hardest to find. The reality is that the 60 seconds you spend in
your armchair writing out yet another stupid email is nothing compared
to the MAN-WEEKS it can sometimes take a real programmer to track down
a bug. The reality is that third party vendors in the general purpose
PC arena don't give a flying crap about open source or open operating
systems and tend to be more interested in covering their own asses then
in actually producing reliable hardware. The reality is that hardware
is COMPLEX. Do you think an ethernet chipset just pushes packets and
pulls packets in? That's just the tip of the iceberg. That isn't
If you want your problems solved, then you have to get down and dirty and
help track them down on your own time. And I'm not talking about spending
60 seconds writing yet another armchair email. I'm talking about
dedicating real time to solving your problems, just like *WE* do.
And that is my last word on the subject.