DragonFly users List (threaded) for 2005-08
DragonFly BSD marketing
Marketing, a nine letter word ...
Not that I'm an expert, but I think it's important that Matt and his merry
it clear what they want from the DragonFly project, and what prospective
can expect. Notice that I wrote "project" not "product". In an open
there are a variety of goals/attitudes/philosophies (yeah, I use too many
- This project is something I do when I ought to be studying for finals.
- This is my thesis project that I will abandon when I graduate.
- This is something to keep me occupied until I get a real job.
- I'll work on this until I run out of money.
- My enlightened employer pays me to write this.
- This is purely a research project.
- This is something I write just for myself and my friends, and I'm
willing to share it with the world,
but don't bug us with requests, complaints, etc.
- When the technical goals of the project are reached, the product will
- I expect this fork to be merged back into the mainstream.
- I expect this fork will replace the mainstream.
- When it's done, I'll move on to a new project.
- I want this project to attract developers and users and live forever.
- Total world domination.
and any combination of the above. Of course, every participant can have
and some may have private goals they don't choose to share.
It would be nice if the website made it clear what the project goals are
(not just technical milestones for
the product). It's not reasonable to ask people to read every email list
message for the last 2 years
to infer the project's hopes and dreams. Also, a good part of the
project's direction may come from
private emails, irc conversations, etc. that new people have no access to.
As for the DragonFly product, I think it's important to state its intended
use. It's reasonable to
say "This is a server operating system that _can_ be used on the desktop,
but we don't plan to devote
resources to a desktop GUI."
That said, if you want to attract people, having a usable standalone OS is
helpful, since not
everyone has a couple of spare machines to devote to playing with new
software. But it's important
to know your target customers:
0) Random curious people
Potential customers only. They should be able to easily and safely
satisfy their curiosity
about the product without consuming support resources. They probably
anything. A clear, up-to-date website and sexy LiveCD
1) Desktop users (converts from Windows, Linux, other BSD's)
Not a desirable customer group. The current product is too volatile,
there's no support
for this group, and they probably can't contribute anything in time,
money, or expertise.
There's no reason for them to switch OS's. You don't have to alienate
them, but you don't
want to disappoint them either.
2) Server administrators (also converts from Windows, Linux, and other
Not very desirable either. Again, the product is too volatile, there's
for this group, there's no critical operational advantages to DragonFly
yet, and they've probably
already committed their resources to other OS's. They are future
3) Application owners/developers
Desirable. Having useful applications adds to the usability and momentum
of a distribution.
We (speaking for the DF Team) want native support for DragonFly, as
opposed to having to maintain
a library of DF-only patches. Applications that highlight DF's unique
advantages are the most
4) Random hackers
Somewhat desirable. They have curiosity and energy. They may or may not
be productive developers.
They are good for debugging, testing, patching. They may waste project
energy by demanding too much
support, starting flamefests, pushing out-of-scope projects, etc. They
can do minor projects.
5) Multi-BSD hackers
Very desirable. They already know BSD internals and philosophy. They are
They facilitate cross-pollination of code and ideas. They can do major