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Re: final thoughts - bug tracking system

From: Hiten Pandya <hmp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:13:14 +0100

To be honest, I am really not fussed what we end up with, as long as it allows us to keep track of issues and feature requests with DragonFly. Lets be honest people, that's what we all want and nothing more; the rest is just fancy tinkering that is labeled as "helpful."

I am worried, that all BSD communities keep saying that Java is frightening and something very heavyweight. Well, I have to disagree with that purely on the grounds of principle; just because we don't support JAVA properly does not mean we should call it the nasties.

Maybe this is the wakeup call that everyone needs to recognize the we need to strengthen our Java support and do something about it in a pro-active manner.

Anyway, back to the original issue, it seems that a lot of people are not pleased about use of closed-source applications even when projects like Apache who know their legalese *very well* seem to be using it for taking care of their problems. I for one like to learn from past lessons and it tells me, this discussion has turned into a similar debate as to what we were going to use as the DragonFly's package system.

Note how I am not even bothering to say which issue tracking system will end up being used by DragonFly. :-)

				Hiten Pandya

Matthew Dillon wrote:
:They aren't non-issues.  However, given how our own website looks the Jira
:front-end will be a welcome relief to people (and no, I don't think our
:website framework invites one to hack on it, sorry).

I spent maybe a few days at most putting that framework together. If you don't like it, then spend a few days cleaning it up or redoing it.
If you think maintaining something like Jira is going to cost less
time in the long term then spending a few days (or even weeks) fixing
our main web site, it's a pipe dream.

    It's one thing to slap something together and get it working, quite
    another to actually use it in production, keep it maintained for the
    long term, and add new features and upgrades.  Jira could have the best
    UI in the world but I just don't trust that we can maintain it in the
    long term.  I don't trust the commercial support.  I don't trust the java
    infrastructure, and I especially don't trust whatever nasties are going
    to pop in the future for the next version, or the version after that,
    because I've had to maintain that sort of stuff before and it usually
    becomes a disaster in the long term once the commercial entity that made
    it stops supporting it.  I am certainly not going to run something that
    takes a lot of effort to upgrade... and believe me, ANYTHING based on
    java takes a lot of effort to ugprade if the vendor starts relying on
    anything other then basic java constructs.  I have enough problems
    just using Java, because of SUN's braindamaged policies.  I do not
    want java in our core, production infrastructure.

Matthew Dillon <dillon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

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