DragonFly kernel List (threaded) for 2004-03
Re: HEADS UP: Website Overhaul
David Cuthbert wrote:
Using tables to format text is bad style and the ugliest but most
popular hack on the internet. It doesn't "look" that fancy when you have
to use a text browser (instead of the memory gobbling mozilla).
And if you seperate the style from the content, it will be easier to
maintain: will it be easier to go through and edit a dozen documents
that have particular fonts or edit the one stylesheet they all included
for the same look and feel?
Oh, I definitely *should* care. But, eh, engineering anything decent
always includes a chapter on working around annoying constraints, so
while I can sympathise with the problem, I just chalk it up to "just
another imperfect system one can work around." The annoyances of
dealing with quirky hardware far outstrip the quirks of web browsers.
Personally, I limit myself to simple tables and font styles. Oh, I
know about the advantages of CSS and such; but preprocessed HTML works
much more reliably.
This is dirt simple to do in standard HTML and you won't have to rely
and manually inserting tabs/spaces: the layout cannot be that crucial
Of late, I've even foregone much of that, limiting myself to Wikis and,
when a Wiki isn't available, wrapping everything in <pre> tags (see
http://www.kanga-da.org/ for example).
<shrug> Maybe if I were a designer, instead of an engineer, in a
I care when I choose/have to use alternate web browsers (like lynx or
links) and cannot find any content.
James Frazer wrote:
You should care. If more people cared about web designers using
proper markup then browser designers (microsoft) would be more willing
to make their browsers so that they don't suck. Consequently the web
designers could spend more time on content and less time fixing
strange Internet Explorer rendering problems.
Web designers use a number of 'sick' hacks to make things display
properly on bad browsers - IE5/IE6 - there is a lot of overhead in
dealing with strange IE problems.
I think this time could be better spent on improving the overall
content and features of the site. Unfortunately users don't care
about valid markup, nor do they care whether or not their browser
impliments things properly.
So yes, valid markup is important.
David Cuthbert wrote:
Eh. As a user, I don't care whether the underlying site is valid XHTML,
HTML, XML, SGML, PDF, EBCDIC, ..., just so long as it's visually
appealing and I can read it.
There are arguably 30-40 other concepts/sites which are equally
compelling to link.