DragonFly kernel List (threaded) for 2003-11
Re: SCO after BSD settlement
On Nov 20, 2003, at 4:22 AM, Matthew Dillon wrote:
I like what you are saying and what a lot of the Open Source
authorities say about this
:I don't believe that SCO has the slightest intention of suing the
:BSDs. If any, then Apple. The rest just doesn't make business sense.
:Say what you may, what SCO has done so far *does* make business sense.
:Look at their stock price. That's the real reason for this particular
:statement too IMO. And yes, I'm speaking only for myself.
I have been following the SCO case very closely... in fact, I am
currently shorting a small amount of SCO stock (an 'emotional'
so to speak), and when SCO dies I'll throw a party or buy some
for people with the proceeds or something like that :-)
In anycase, keep in mind that SCO has backed itself well past the
proverbial corner and is now going down a mousehole head first. In
many respects the actions they are being forced to take due to the
irrationality of their arguments are now being dictated by
which makes them very predictable. SCO really has no choice *but*
to try to break open the BSD suit, now, because the BSD settlement
completely destroys pretty much all of their (ludicrous) arguments
regards to IP pollution in the Linux space. I would not be
if we were to see an attempt to break open the BSD suit in either
IBM or RedHat case, if only to delay the inevitable conclusion a
Of course, SCO's arguments are full of holes anyway... dozens of
all over the place, but they've already played most of those cards
they need to keep the pipeline full to offset the losses they are
to incur as the judges in the cases start to rule against them.
but, quite frankly, AFAIK YANAL [you are not a lawyer]. OJ Simpson got
never gets anything but a wrist slap for their behavior so I wouldn't
rest so assuredly that
this is open and shut.
It would still be absolutely insane for them to actually try to
business linux end-user. That would open them up to some rather
fraud laws that the corporate shield will not protect their
against. But, hey, they might just do it anyway. I'm actually
they do because it could result in real jail time for Dear Daryl.
Is there any history that you can use to back up what you are saying?
I would not characterize SCO's recent moves as making good business
sense. Persuing the original contract dispute with IBM would very
have made business sense if they hadn't gone headlong down the
slope of trying to tie linux into it, but everything they've done
the last few months has been highly detrimental to their business.
Don't be fooled by their stock price... SCO trades at fairly low
small fry like Michael Olson and Charles Broughton can sell their
shares into it and for them its a good exit strategy, and because
I expect SCO's SEC filings to continue to be glaringly accurate
if they spin them to the media and the media is too stupid to read
actual filings, the actual filings themselves not only don't lie,
they lay out the issues fairly clearly).
The media is ALWAYS stupid. At least in the US. Look at the crap they
to report and the way in which they do the reporting. I am fairly
watching a full day of news that I still probably have no idea what is
on in the world. Perhaps my Cartesian Doubting is a bit extreme, but I
of being fooled and made an ass of so someone's paycheck at the top of
pyramid gets a boost.
But because of the low volume larger players like Canopy, Deutsche
and BayStar cannot sell huge chunks without either (A) destroying
stock price or (B) commiting actual fraud, and they are likely
to lose a lot more then they gain out of this affair. Sun and
have also already gotten huge negative press over their
they lose too. It's too bad in a way, but I think this is a
Sun and Microsoft about the power of open source and I doubt they
do something so blatently stupid again. The only reason the stock
has not plummeted is that the short interest is so high now it is
artificial support levels... but it's the worst kind of support you
can have. It will evaporate very quickly as the lawsuits progress
and then there will be nothing to hold up the stock.
I actually think Sun comes out as a winner in this case. People don't
a proverbial SCO gun to their head saying "Pay up" if they go with Sun.
Depending on how this comes out I predict Sun will be a big winner or a
loser. Seems a good gamble to me.
In anycase, I see a definite split between the lawyers + Daryl
the lower executives. The lower executives want to get out of this
mess without being thrown in jail or losing their winnings to a
of lawsuits. I do not see people like Michael Olson or Robert
playing ball with Daryl to exaggerate the financials... they have
much to lose while Daryl has nothing to lose. And the lawyers get
paid no matter what.
This whole thing will make an interesting case study.
Yeah... I'll make sure to wipe the vomit off my chin before I submit